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Solomon XI
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:10:00 -
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CCP,
I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below.
Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E
It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG.
Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off.
Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS.
CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.
What the hell happened?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 -
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Did you compare between Pre-Incarna and Post-Incarna? Compare CPU load, etc?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fix Lag My computer straight-up crashed the first time I tried to load CQ.
That's another issue entirely. Eve keeps crashing. That's a software issue though. This issue is far more serious as it can potentially destroy thousands of dollars in hardware.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20
Originally by: Morgenholt Blue
Originally by: Solomon XI
CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.
This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC.
And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling.
12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:29:02 These are problems multiple people are experiencing and some CPU's, GPU's, and even Motherboards have already been lost! CCP PAY ATTENTION!
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:36:00 -
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I want a Developer to chime in. I'm not going away.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:41:00 -
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/me throws a rock at CCP.
Developers. Pay. Attention.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:49:00 -
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I have no life. I will fill up 200 pages with bumps until I receive a developer's attention on this subject.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 -
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Let's leave the Intel.vs.AMD politics out of this thread, alright?
CCP PAY ATTENTION.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Firid Soulbane Even though you have a valid argument it seems like you are the one that wants attention.
I do. I want a Developers attention.
CCP - Paying attention yet?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge can someone pls copy paste a standard Gm response here so this butthurt carebear can stop posting
kthks
So I'm a butt-hurt carebear (Right! I mission all damn day! Never shot another ship before!) because my PC can't handle Eve when judging by the hardware it SHOULD BE ABLE TO? Yeah ... shut up. Ok? Thx.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:14:00 -
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Pushing to the top of the page.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:17:00 -
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CCP . PAY . ATTENTION!
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:22:00 -
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Well that's fine. I'll turn this into a personal thread-naught until I get a reply from an actual Developer @ CCP.
There are other games out there. I <3 Eve Online and have always given them the benefit of the doubt until now.
This is simply inexcusable IMO.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 03:29:11
Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. I've run Incarna on a couple systems, both old and new, both AMD and Intel, both AMD/ATi and nVIDIA and the game runs just fine.
My primary desktop: Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.5GHz 4 Gigs DDR3-1333 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 470 with EVGA GeForce GTX 260 for two extra monitors and PhysX 120 Gig OCZ Agility 3 SSD
Game runs 60FPS maxed everything just fine, temps for my CPU are normal, as is my GPU which is actually hovering around 85c which isn't bad considering it can hit 90c to 100c sometimes.
I'd list the older systems but they're irrelevant. Regardless, it's probably a problem with your system. It could be Incarna, but I doubt it. It seems like Incarna is just too much for your computer to handle for some reason.
Also, as for the Motherboard and GPU's frying and stuff. That's not because of Incarna. A game can't make a mobo short out and fry itself. It also can't make a GPU, which has built in protection from overheating and whatnot, to kill itself. Those were mostlikely driver issues or just idiots who don't know how to properly build and ventilate a PC.
Too many people reporting overheating suddenly. The CPU load is definitely through the roof. I've checked everything on my end - did so initially. I tested other games which are WAY MORE DEMANDING than Eve is supposed to be and don't have any issues. No ... this is an EVE issue specifically.
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi If your PC failed because of this expansion then it was time to upgrade anyway.
/thread
Add something useful to the thread, you nimwit. I *did* upgrade. The hardware I am running should be able to EASILY SUPPORT Eve Incarna.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 -
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Copied from another thread to this one:
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yea... Updated my computer from xp to win7 64bit just to get 4 gigs of ram installed. Also bought new graphics card and that is working ok.
However... the cpu usage of the client has gone way up. With 2 clients on station my amd athlon 64x2 3800+ (2.00GHz) is running on 95% when another client is minimized. When both clients are minimized, cpu usage is still way above 50% and even when station enviroment is disabled single client may still use peak 20% cpu.
This wasn't the case even in the space enviroment with the previous client. Something has gone horribly wrong with the "optmizations" with this one...
Anyways already desided put my secondary account to icebox fox the time being and atm feel great desire to hit the unsubscribe button with this one also. However I promised to stick in this incarna train untill the end of this year and will keep that promise. The client can't stay like this tho.
Would like to say something nice about the incarna and prolly will, as it isn't all bad, but atm I'm tired, dissapointed and unable to think really constructive so will leave that for tomorrow.
I bet that the devs know most of the performance issues out there, but were just forced to release with unreal timetable again... its sad.
New day and new tricks tomorrow, gn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Originally by: Solomon XI Copied from another thread to this one:
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yea... Updated my computer from xp to win7 64bit just to get 4 gigs of ram installed. Also bought new graphics card and that is working ok.
However... the cpu usage of the client has gone way up. With 2 clients on station my amd athlon 64x2 3800+ (2.00GHz) is running on 95% when another client is minimized. When both clients are minimized, cpu usage is still way above 50% and even when station enviroment is disabled single client may still use peak 20% cpu.
This wasn't the case even in the space enviroment with the previous client. Something has gone horribly wrong with the "optmizations" with this one...
Anyways already desided put my secondary account to icebox fox the time being and atm feel great desire to hit the unsubscribe button with this one also. However I promised to stick in this incarna train untill the end of this year and will keep that promise. The client can't stay like this tho.
Would like to say something nice about the incarna and prolly will, as it isn't all bad, but atm I'm tired, dissapointed and unable to think really constructive so will leave that for tomorrow.
I bet that the devs know most of the performance issues out there, but were just forced to release with unreal timetable again... its sad.
New day and new tricks tomorrow, gn
One of my older PC's actually happens to be a Athlon 64 X2 3800+, just like his. The CPU hitting almost full load is pretty normal for it with modern games. I even put my old GTX 260 as well as my old 7900 and 6800 cards and the CPU still hit that much usage on any game from within the past two years or so pretty easily.
Incarna is graphically intense, despite what people may think. It's going to warm up and CPU/GPU combo regardless how new or old it is.
Yes but it should not be causing an overheat given my setup. I have far more graphically intense games with higher recommended specifications than Eve and have absolutely no issues what-so-ever. The fact remains something is broken on CCP's end.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:52:00 -
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Bumping again.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fi1ippo If it was ccps fault then evey computer would be experiencing the same issues.
Its in fact your fault, you either didn't clean your pc, don't have the right hardware, or your pc is just old. My pc is 5 years old and I have NO problems with incarna
Read the first post and then STFU. It's brand new. Good hardware. Clean even.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:03:00 -
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All of us can afford a $3,000 Alienware system. Kid, shut the hell up. That told me all I needed to know about you. This system SHOULD HANDLE IT JUST FINE. The topic above yours is also an example of this problem.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:15:00 -
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Bump
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: da go
Originally by: Solomon XI It's not a bad system.
It seems it's very badly engineered.
Originally by: Solomon XI My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C.
Whoever the engineer that did TDP calculations for your system, (s)he should be fired. If the specs for the CPU are 62C NOTHING but a hardware failure should allow the CPU to get above that. Not even if you push all cores to the max and beyond.
Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.
What the hell happened?
It happened that people have bought very badly engineered computers. Or maybe they were so stupid to think that building a computer means putting some fancy hardware together without doing proper engineering (I met a lot of people that self-assembled computers, but very few that knew how to actually do it properly).
Do not blame CCP. Blame who designed your computer. Unless you have a defective unit, in which case just have it changed for a working one.
I engineered it myself and am confident that I did everything properly. This is happening to many people. If it was just me, I could see that. But given the number of people ... I don't know.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:29:00 -
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Bumping again.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 -
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BUMP.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:01:00 -
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Bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 -
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Bump. I'm also going to bed. However don't mistake this for the end of this topic. When I awaken, I shall commence further carpet bombing of this thread. Until I receive an honest reply from a Developer, I will maintain this thread. I swear it.
Goodnight CCP & thank you for breaking Eve again. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 -
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What it comes down to is improper coding on CCP's part. The fact is a station environment should not push a Phenom II X4 to it's limit so quickly. No other game I know of does that, not even Crysis.
I want a CCP Developer's response to this thread. *Commencing daily thread-naught.*
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:12:00 -
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BUMP.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 -
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Bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:39:00 -
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b u m p.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:52:00 -
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Looking for a CCP Developer to chime in. BUMP.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:19:00 -
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I have posted in a topic which seems to have Dev activity and asked them to grace us with their presence. Let us hope. ![Sad](/images/icon_sad.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:31:00 -
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Bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:37:00 -
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It is posted in the main thread. I'm still not going to let this one die.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:56:00 -
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Bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:09:00 -
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Then this topic will remain on the front page of Eve General discussion for a very long time to come.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance!
Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently.
BTW --- Bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: leth ghost
its people with high spec stuff that are getting the problem as well, so crappy hardware and lowering setting aint the fix
I really only heard of AMD issues (which are plenty, lol; boy, did ppl with those cards get nerfed or what?!). And a GTX4xx series card, like the TS has, yep, those run notoriously hot.
Honestly, though, I would hate for CCP to lower the graphical settings on CQ again. Perhaps they can introduce an 'even lower' setting or something. But CQ, to be immersive, needs to look shiny. Otherwise we might just as well have kept the old spinning hangar.
I have a decent setup and can play all games on highest quality. Eve is the exception with QC and it's a CCP coding issue. They screwed up somewhere. The issue isn't my GPU ... it's my CPU temps.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shepard Book
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance!
Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently.
BTW --- Bump.
This is what petitions and the incarna feedback thread is for in the information portal.
And it's mentioned in the appropriate threads as well but is being completely ignored. This isn't a simple issue. This is a VERY BIG issue.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:35:00 -
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I'm starting to see Intel reports too so I am doubting this is a direct AMD issue... CCP developers care to chime in?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 -
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Still looking for a Dev. ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems.
I'm not.
In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max.
I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table.
Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems?
Mr Epeen ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
It's a brand new system and I cleaned mine before the expansion. I'm anal about it. I blow it out daily. >_>
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 -
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PARTIAL SOLUTION DISCOVERED ALBEIT NOT A GOOD ONE:
For those who are having overheating issues, try turning your CPU and RAM voltages down slightly through the BIOs. It's not a golden arrow but it does help somewhat.
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No, I am not satisfied. I demand a CCP Developer response.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Kesel I knew there had to be an issue my cpu doesn't hit 60c unless I'm playing a newish game thats extremely cpu intensive and even then it goes back down to 55c quick (small AC Unit hooked up to the intake fans.)
Post system spec's, please.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: leth ghost i think its unacceptable that you should have to change bios settings to help with a situation that you have not caused
As do I. I had to literally roadblock my CPU speed and RAM speed just so that I could play Incarna without overheating my system when NO OTHER GAME WHAT SO EVER taxes my system anywhere near what Eve currently is. This includes Crysis.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16
Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station.
You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily.
The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be.
Also - stock cooler = bad.
I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Kesel
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16
Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station.
You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily.
The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be.
Also - stock cooler = bad.
I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool.
I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have.
Snap in pins? On the back of the motherboard, you can pinch them and pop them out. Then slip a new heat sink base/socket on.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: DHuncan What is unacceptable is that CCP dont show a face and explain about this, deny it or anything. You can believe the OP or not but he's a pay customer and deserves suport with any issue he may feel is experiencing. One thing is that we pay customers are used as beta testers every single expansion and patch they develop and another thing is that our computers are used as resistance test subjects. I dont like this. If the OP has a bad configuration or is doing something wrong or however the problem is on his end CCP still should rise up and explain. Dont they even care we may simply desconnect not to risk or precious hardwares?
It's not just me though. Many others are also having this issue.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Kesel the screws were stripped making it impossible to remove
Ouch.
Also - bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 -
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Interesting...
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:58:00 -
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So this is both a CPU & GPU issue even on the new end hardware. For me, it's my CPU overheating despite more than enough cooling installed. For others, it's the GPU. For some ... both. This issue is not limited to AMD CPU's alone as there are some Intel guys saying the same.
We REALLY NEED CCP DEV's IN HERE!
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 19:04:53
Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist We are forever watching from the shadows. Lurking behind the blue bars. Usually on days like today we are interested in reading feedback. I know I know, don't faint.
It appears they only answer topics that don't require any real attention, while the actual issues are ignored.
I'm camping two threads right now and will be until I have a Developer's attention. I'll be keeping this topic on the main page of Eve General discussion until then.
PS: To the guy above this post, I am running 1 client. Prior to Incarna, I could run two easily. Three even. Now I am scared ****less to even consider dual-boxing.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:15:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:19:00 -
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Interesting...
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:21:00 -
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It actually IS the software. It's increased the CPU load significantly. It's also the only game I've played which is causing my system to overheat (which has never happened even on far more graphically intense games). I know it's not an issue on my end alone as others are having it as well. No -- this is a bug in their code. Positive of it.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:23:00 -
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Intel HD - integrated right? That's a problem for gaming, period.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Cross-posting because that's cool of me.
Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
System specifications?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Originally by: Rysis Vyvorant Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so.
I have:
W7 x64 965 BE with Noctura D-14 or N-14...whatever, can not remember. 4 GB ram SSD 2 x 6870s
CPU temps do not break 39 C in CQ, everything is maxed right out.
GPU hits about 65-70C, but that is nothing new.
Whether the problem is on sol's end or not is not the point. The point is that the moderators are completely ignoring this, and not taking a stand on either side of the issue.
Judging by other topics and comments in this one, I doubt its on my side.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:33:00 -
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There is a dev blog saying more than one account will suffer performance issues.
I AM TRYING TO RUN ONE ACCOUNT ONLY!
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:43:00 -
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Interesting... well this ain't going away. I am camping this topic and will keep it on the 1st page all damn day. Go to sleep. Camp it again.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Cross-posting because that's cool of me.
Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
System specifications?
Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P Mainboard AMD 790X Chipset AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (3.4ghz) 140w TDP 2x Corsair 4GB DDR3 DHX 1600C9DHX Twin3X (2x2GB) @ 9-9-9-24 1.8V (TW3X4G1600C9DHX) EVGA GeForce GTX 280 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (01G-P3-1280-ER) Windows 7 Professional x64
My CPU temp hit 79C just before the system crashed after 4-5 minutes in CQ, which it has never done before. My system is hot because it is stock cooled, but it has historically been rock solid in terms of stability and I routinely push it via After Effects and H.264 encoding.
Something in the CQ code is rotten if I'm not attempting to undervolt the CPU as a precaution.
A temporary solution I came up with earlier is to go into your BIOS and lower both the CPU and RAM voltages. Drop yourself down to 3Ghz on the CPU for now until this is resolved. It's not a golden arrow but it is something. It does help.
Guess you're doing that anyhow.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources.
My PC is designed for much heavier games than Eve Incarna. That's a fact. I play heavier games and never have this issue. This is a CCP development problem with their engine. They screwed up. They need to fix it. Now.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 19:58:24
Originally by: leth ghost null Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources.
true its ur problem to keep your pc cool but why is a tiny room with a person walking about in it putting so much strain on pc's that its causing them to shut down so they dont over heat and cook them selves
Older PC's - I can see the argument. These are new PC's running quad-core processors, good graphic cards, and have more than ample cooling installed. This is an Engine issue on CCP's front that needs to be fixed immediately. It's causing significant RL damage to hardware.
Originally by: Zeko Rena How odd, my ancient machine is running
Intel Q9550 ATI HD 5770 8 GIG of slow ram
And yet i can run two clients at the same time in 1920x1080 with about 28fps and not having any issues with fans or heating
Just a quick question, i am going to presume you have setup your 12 fans with air flow in mind, not just shoved them on any old way?
Air flow is imoprant, especially as i only have three fans on my rig, although i do have the Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler, but video card is on stock cooling
I have an Azza Hurrican Full Tower Case. I have a Noctua NH-U12P CPU Cooler. My cooling is ample, properly configured, and my cable management is perfect. I am also using Artic Silver thermal paste.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Siva Surya Kshatriya I'm experiencing the same problems. OP, ignore the trolls, anyone who posts something along the lines of the quote below is either trying to troll or simply stupid. You have a legitimate concern and the developers should really pay attention.
Originally by: Kaede Kimura Edited by: Kaede Kimura on 22/06/2011 03:38:27 Whine central, I see. Quit having a tantrum you entitled brat!
Can you post your system specifications and detail your problem please?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:06:07
Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault.
And if I **CAN** pass those tests, Zachstar? Because I can. Easily. This is a flaw with the Incarna ENGINE. Read the thread and STFU. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: Ealric Sorden In defense of CCP, they probably need to look into this a little before they're allowed to say anything. I'm not surprised nothing has been said yet, but it's clear there's an issue that needs to be addressed.
That said, CPU's should auto shutdown the computer if they cross a threshold temp. Those safeguards have been in place for a very long time. GPU's on the other hand, can easily overheat and fry themselves if not monitored.
They could simply say that they're aware of it and are looking into it. That would satisfy me for now.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees.
Quad core i7.
On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems.
If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ?
That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Kugisa
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees.
Quad core i7.
On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems.
If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ?
That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird.
Different settings possibly ?
Im using Geforce GTX460 on the Quad and GTX260 on the older machine if that adds any information.
Can you detail your system specifications further? How many case fans, what kind of heat-sink, etc?
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump.
Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C.
I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons.
If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Rev
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump.
Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C.
I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons.
If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm.
GPU temps....CPU has been running about 67C
That CPU temp is pretty high...
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:28:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 22:03:16 Bumping this thread ... again. I am camping it and it will remain on the front page. I have a small albeit temporary workaround at the moment. I dropped the voltage of my CPU down slightly and the temps are staying down a little more. Still its running way too hot.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:16:00 -
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Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's. ![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 -
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I find it so odd that some players don't have issues and others do - even those of us with higher end rigs. ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:36:00 -
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Bumping this again.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems.
I'm not.
In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max.
I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table.
Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems?
Mr Epeen ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all.
I completely disagree. Read my system specifications through-out this thread and others. We're running higher end graphic cards, higher end CPU's, higher end memory, and our systems have more than enough cooling power. A hardware upgrade will no little to nothing to resolve these problems for those of us encountering them.
Before offering suggestions, try reading the problems we're having and then offer your opinion. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:41:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:04:00 -
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 00:28:58 Windows 7 Pro x64 12GB RAM Nvidia Geforce GTX 590 (4gb) Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU x990 Corsair Hydro H70 Liquid Cooling Creative SoundBlaster X-fi Titanium HD Rampage III Black Edition ROG Motherboard 120 GB SSD for OS 250 GB SSD for main games (like EVE) 600 GB Velociraptor (10.000 RPM) for storage and more games
Yes I am needlessy adding information about my computer to show off, feel free to flame me for it..oh and EVE runs constantly at 60.2 or more FPS undocked, or docked with full graphics, with 3 clients going at once on 2 monitors. CPU temp: 35 Gfx temp: 42 (close to idle temp)
In other words, my system barely knows EVE is there and running. My point? While it may seem utter gratuitous strutting on my part, I actually have a point... These systems that people post having major issues aren't bad. Some of them are quite good, and I know this from building and fixing computers for a living - So either EVE is extremely preferential on what computers it likes (not impossible, but a bit unlikely), or there is an unnoticed and obscure configuration problem somewhere with the individual machine.
Something that, under certain graphical conditions and use of computer hardware features, turns torpedo. Some games don't make use of the same features that EVE does if available. EVE is practically known for using modern graphics technologies as well as processing technology...The issue could also be bad hardware, poor cooling and/or airflow, poor hardware compatibility (Yes certain RAM don't work well with certain motherboards. Look for the QVL (Qualified Vendor List) on your motherboard), poor ventilation (not to be mistaken for cooling), poor drivers and poor maintenance (properly seating your hardware, cleaning out dust every 3rd month (every month if you're a smoker at your PC) and cleaning your filters is VERY important (cleaning your isn't a bad idea either))
It could be a mix of all of these, combined with EVE being a bit uh ...fascist crackpot about certain systems..But one thing is certain, you're always better off checking your own system thoroughly first, with the help of a computer wiz friend if you have one, before blaming EVE.
Many of the systems posted should run EVE with as much ease as my system, at least with 1 client. At least from my experience...I don't claim myself as an ultimate authority on this stuff, but I do have many years of experience in this field. Take my word for it if you wish.
I can't speak for anyone else but I have checked over my system. I can't find any configuration issues, any updates, just a whole lot of nothing. I keep coming back to the conclusion that there's a line of code somewhere in the Engine being used by CCP and they have yet to say anything to dispute that.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Abbie Kinkaid I gather from reading this thread that most of the problems are occurring when running multiple clients on a single PC.
I donÆt see this as necessarily being an issue with CCPÆs code, more a problem with the type of environment that is running.
Single clients only for the most part (my issues deal with a single client & I am too afraid to dual client atm), some complaining about dual client (CCP warned them in a Dev blog).
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin overheating computer = computer that was broken BEFORE starting up the game
Hey look another idiot said something without reading the topic. What a surprise. ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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I have to go for a while however I'll be camping this thread when I return & it will return to the front page if it's not when I get back. Any CCP Developers care to comment, yet?
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:11:53
Originally by: Borkers If your system is not stable under sustained 100% load, your system is defective. If your CPU or GPU are capable of putting out more heat than your cooling is capable of dissipating, then your cooling is inadequate; if your specs say your cooling is adequate then your system does not meet those specs. Your system may have high-end specs and cooling, but hardware defects and incorrect installations happen.
If your car has bald tires, it will be drivable at 25mph. Hard cornering at 90mph will break something. It's not because of a defective gas pedal or steering wheel.
And if you read the thread, you'll quickly realize that this issue is happening to many others as well. Furthermore, I've stress-tested this system and everything works as how it should. The cooling is more than adequate in both specification and real world operation. It is also properly built and clean.
Originally by: Zachstar The game is causing so much heat because it is actually using the resources of the CPU and GPU now.
CPU is decoding the video on those displays and many other things to balance with the GPU rending the many polygons. Nothing is wrong with this the issue with many people is that now their dust filled, cooled by a single clogged fan PCs are being stressed and so are not able to handle the required TDP.
Not CCPs fault.
However it should not tax the CPU to the extremes that it is. Furthermore, my computer is clean. My cooling and GPU are more than enough to handle more intense gaming. Incarna is just poorly coded and it needs to be fixed. This IS a CCP issue.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crasniya
Originally by: Solomon XI And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K?
I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it.
Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this.
Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems.
You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya.
Minimal for some and excessive for others. It should not use more resources than Crysis or Crysis II for a single avatar in a living room. Even Second Life which is by far more complex on the highest settings does not tax the CPU/GPU nearly as much.
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:08:10 I have to go for a while however I'll be camping this thread when I return & it will return to the front page if it's not when I get back. Any CCP Developers care to comment, yet?
Originally by: Crasniya Nothing wrong with the game, Solomon, you have a cruddy processor, deal with it.
AMDs always run significantly hotter than their Intel counterparts. Occasionally AMD may be the first out with a faster processor, but Intels run consistently more efficiently and cooler than AMDs. If you want to do anything processor intensive, and you want your computer to last for more than a year, you buy Intel.
I have a Q8300 Core 2 Quad, and I'm using about 40-50% processor power with EVE Incarna on high settings and several Chrome tabs while walking around in dock.
And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K?
I seriously question if you actually ran those Stress tests for as long as required for a true test.
I ran mine for 17 hours consistent. More than long enough.
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:20:55
Originally by: Crasniya
Originally by: Solomon XI Minimal for some and excessive for others. It should not use more resources than Crysis or Crysis II for a single avatar in a living room. Even Second Life which is by far more complex on the highest settings does not tax the CPU/GPU nearly as much.
Crysis II is much lighter on graphics requirements than the original Crysis. But um... if you can play Crysis, and you can't play EVE... either you're crazy, or your computer's broken.
What the heck do you need 12 bloody fans for? I have the two fans that are built into my cheap-as-heck Acer when I bought it.
They came with the case so what the hell, right?
Like I said, this is an Eve Online issue. Read the other complaints and they're generally similar. This patch is putting too much load on newish machines. Mines perfect right now setup wise. I built it. The system is clean, the thermal paste is great, excellent heat sink, great cable management.
Checked drivers, updates, etc. This *IS* an Eve issue. Most likely a line of code in their Engine somewhere that they need to find and kill.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Crasniya
I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it.
Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this.
Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems.
You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya.
This man speaketh the truth; though few there be who are willing to hear it.
I'll beg to differ. I know what I'm doing. I built this system from the ground up, customized it properly, bench-marked it, stress tested it, and have put it through a rough initiation. And yet Eve Incarna is breaking it when by all standards and accounts, it shouldn't be.
The Incarna Engine is either faulty, there is a bad line of code somewhere, or the engine just discriminates at random. Either way - CCP needs to fix it. Also notice that CCP has said nothing to either confirm nor deny their code may possibly be slightly screwed up.
Until a CCP Developer says something, we're going with my belief. This topic will not die until I have a developer's eyes on it.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:13:00 -
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Alright. Enough. I am tired of ignorant trolls and stupid questions clouding a legitimate thread that absolutely needs a Developers response. I am writing this from my cellular so please bare with me.
Having proper cooling in my system is not the issue. Let me say that again ... my system is properly cooled. My case is an Azza Hurricane ATX tower with multiple fans (google it). All of the fans are properly placed for optimal airflow and I verified this.
My CPU is properly cooled. I have a Noctua heatsink with two fans on it. It provides near equal cooling to that of a liquid cooling system. I used Artic Silver thermal paste (properly applied as recommended by both AMD and Noctua).
My system has proper and very clean cable management. La viva modular power supplies.
My system is extremely clean as I dust it out daily. I'm anal about that.
My motherboard has an exhaust fan behind it to remove ambient heat. See the case for details of fan placement.
My RAM is air cooled and has their own heatsinks.
No other game has taxed my system to an overheat.
Extended stress tests did not overheat my system. 17 hours at max load had me running 53c on the cpu.
All drivers are up to date. No hardware conflicts exist.
This is an issue with the Eve Incarna engine. Period.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:25:00 -
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Bump. Yes I'm campingthis thread from my cell phone now.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Vengeance
Originally by: Jake Thraxton
Originally by: Loki Vengeance <snip>
What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem.
again, different computers do different things, those that Have working computers; great! stop telling us were wrong, if we were our computers all wouldn't suddenly be suddenly having problems. play eve, have fun, were not getting any enjoyment out of not playing
I'm not telling you that your computer is working correctly or that Eve is running perfectly on your computer. What I'm telling you is that your rage is misdirected. All Eve Online can do is ask your CPU and GPU to process instructions as fast as they can. If your CPU and/or GPU are overheating when they're processing instructions as fast as they can, it's not CCP's fault; that's a simple lack of proper cooling.
Yelling at CCP because their new code is inefficient and/or a resource hog is perfectly valid. Yelling at CCP because your CPU and/or GPU overheats when it's run at capacity is ridiculous. You may as well write a scathing letter to Santa. Both he and CCP are equally responsible for your system's inability to maintain a proper operating temperature for its components.
When their poor coding puts maximum load on a ga?ing rig like me (scroll up a few replies for complete info) and somehow pushes my rig to the point of overheating . . . The game is broken. Their coding is **** poor. there is no excuse. Period.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Loki, you and soloman both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail.
Indeed.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Loki Vengeance
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately.
That's a perfectly valid argument and not one I'm inclined to argue against at this point. I agree that CCP needs to make their CQ code a lot more efficient. While my system doesn't feel the effects of CQ's vastly more resource-intensive code, it does have a measurable effect. And if I can see it affect my system, I'm sure it's cutting off a lot of people at the lower end of the spectrum who would like to play.
My only point here has been that CCP cannot possibly (as in, it's physically impossible) be responsible for overheating hardware, no matter how inefficient the Incarna code may be.
By releasing a poorly optimized piece of software that forces the cpu and gpu to run at their maximum potential is directly responsible for causing system overheats in this situation. What I fail to comprehend is how I can run a stress test for 17hrs and be fine yet this patch pushes past those limits? Dunno.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:04:00 -
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I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:12:00 -
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Jsut a simple "CcP is watch" would do. I won't stop. This thread will become a resident of the eve general page forever until I get a dev reply.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 03:18:58
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Solomon XI I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum.
One guy bumping the forum every 5 minutes does not 'multiple people' make. If it's really important, let this thread stay on the front page on its own momentum.
Read the replies. There are multiple people having these issues. I am not forgiving and not willing to wait. I'm going to push CCP on this issue until a dev replies. End of story.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ealric Sorden Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 03:24:58 I think someone (or multiple people) may have mentioned the test server?
I don't keep up with the test server, but I assume the CQ was available there at some point for players. Were there ever any reports of this during that time?
If not, well then the issue becomes quite clear. Something CCP changed from the last public beta build to the production build has caused CPU and GPU loading issues for some.
Anyone?
according to an earlier reply, this was not happening on singularity.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Originally by: Ella Scorpio Edited by: Ella Scorpio on 23/06/2011 03:27:31 I am also having serious problems. I can play Fallout 3 with high graphic settings and my computer gets hot, but keeps going for hours. 30 minutes in station, not even walkng around, just reading emails, and my laptop shuts down from heat.
Ya that would be your laptop cooling system not being able to handle the TDP of the CPU and GPU which is not acceptable. Perhaps you should consider getting the cooling system changed or repaired or upgraded? ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
I agree with this.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Neo160 to be honest, i actually overreacted.
imma man up and say this: i set my graphics setting to their highest settings after installing incarna and forgot to turn them back down.
DOH, no wonder i had heat issues, i asked the client to tax my computer, not CQ.
people experiencing issues may want to make sure their graphics settings are optimized for their hardware.
I did ...
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge buy a better PC you ****wits jesus.
shut the **** up, troll.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:50:00 -
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Dump
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Saberinni Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:51:05 Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50 Loki et al,
Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising.
Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate but should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit?
Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card.
This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed?
^^^ this.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:28:00 -
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I understand what everyone is saying. I do ... I get it. Your computer shouldn't overheat and if it does, it's because of failed cooling. I get that. I have absolutely no idea how to improve the cooling on my end so that point is mute.
My point is ... CQ alone should not be taxing hardware like mine to the extent that it is. It's not proper code. It's a bad engine. It does need to be looked into by CCP and this thread won't leave the first page until we receive some form of Dev response.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: RJBlues Edited by: RJBlues on 23/06/2011 14:30:52 After playing for a little while on the following:
Phenom II X6 1075 nvidia gigabyte gtx 460 (1gb) 4 gb ram windows 7, 64 bit.
In space, my computer stays at about 30 to 40 degrees.. Playing crysis 2 gets my system to 45 degrees. Battlefield bc2 gets it to about the same.
edit : Cooling is top notch, computer is just a couple of months old.
Captains quarters : 68 degrees last time I played it.
Wish I knew why the heck this happens. Just adding my info in the pool just in case a ccp dev or moderator cares enough to read the feedback threads that arent full of douchbaggery.
That's what I am saying. Even top notch and what could be deemed as proper cooling isn't keeping up. =/
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: wannabomber Stuff.
You're an idiot who doesn't read replies, am I right?
The fact remains that setups which should handle this easily cannot. See the post above yours for an example.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 14:55:10 Bump.
If a Developer replies with specific questions, I will be happy to answer any of them.
No Dev feedback @ all though. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:13:23 Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:12:37
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Faith O'Siras Friendly nudge.
Reported for continually violating Rule 12: "Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited."
Until I have a developer reply - this thread will remain on the main page. I *will* start it over if I am forced to. The issue is legitimate and does require a Developer response.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei He probably does.
Yes I do. I have also considered this. My GPU isn't the issue. The fact is their Incarna engine is maxing out a Quad-Core processor and causing all four cores to run at 80+% consistently.
Furthermore the cooling I have installed is the best air cooling you can possible get. The only other option would be installing liquid cooling which may or may not prove beneficial considering the Noctua air cooler I have gives damn near the same performance as a self-sufficient liquid cooled system.
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Ive got a very high powered machine
I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard
My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues.
Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : /
Just another sign of completely ****-poor optimization. What kind of temps are you running on the CPU/GPU's?
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:35:52
Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?
Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others.
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Solomon XI
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are *not* that good.
For the love of all technical thinking people, stop saying "a few lines of code" or "a line of code" that needs to "be fixed". They don't exist - its a misnomer, its *******s, its ignorant, its untrue, its false, its uninformed...Its not how coding works, and it won't help your case either. Haven't we already established that of course it needs optimization, but that wasn't your original complaint.
I'm starting to think you're a troll, and if you are..well played.
I'm not trolling. Seriously.
And I'm not a programmer or designer. However their engine is based off "code" right? The underlying stuffs is code, right? Forgive me not being completely technical is code speak.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Davon Kastire
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?
Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others.
How do I monitor my temps, and how much is too hot?
Google your processor and find out what the safe operating temp for it would be. I also recommend a program called "CPU Thermometer" to monitor the temps.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 -
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Lol. BTW bump.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Chav It's alright if you grew up with gaming and what or what not a PC/Laptop needs to do, but if you didn't, then wtf?
I have a real basic run-o-the-mill system with only 2gb RAM, Quad Core, godknowswhat Motherboard. It's over three years old, has a old Nvidia card yet runs fine. Wtf am I doing right?
This is happening to some people and not to others. There are too many for it to be simple design flaws on the end user end. I truly believe it's an issue with the Incarna optimization and engine and that underlying code somewhere is causing discrimination against certain system profiles for unknown reasons.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: speric Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped.
"These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric
Thank you for the support. Interesting that was.
I can't speak for others but that just goes to show that in fact improper optimization can indeed cause issues.
CCP Developer response yet?
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: groentenman Phenom II X4 955(rev b) (overclocked to 3.7) 4gig ram ati hd6850(slightly overclocked) windows 7 64 bit
60 fps in and out of station but fps drops for no reason every now and then when i'm in the cq(17 fps). Seems to be totally rondom since i can get the game to run smoothly for some horus and when i log back in after dinner the fps is down again(i turn my pc off when i leave). Haven't looked at the cpu temps but i'll be keeping a close eye on that just in case.
Would be interesting to see what temps you're running. Can you check that and post your results, please?
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 -
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CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: wannabomber
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 16:10:18 CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553
Last time i checked CCP doesnt support muliple clients on 1 machine or did something changed and i didnt realize? I can quote the petition response from CCP about not supporting more than 1 client in 1 pc.
I don't do multiple clients as this is a one client only issue.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:09:00 -
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Interesting...
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:19:00 -
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Doing a bit of Googling and I suspect that may actually be exactly what's causing all of the issues. I'm not a 3D engineer so I don't know. Still ... That's very interesting. ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:46:00 -
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What leth ghost posted deserves more information. Could this be the cause of our issues? DISCUSS!
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Madcow Solomon do you have to spam everywhere because your system has crap cooling?
Until otherwise noted.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:21:00 -
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I dunno why the framerate drops so much. =/
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